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Product Development
There's a lot of ancillary activities around the actual program itself have to be taken into consideration. You want to make sure there's clear paths. And what do you want to upgrade to a regular PM and how do you interview? And are we doing it? Is this really an APM program for internal folks or external? So I think that's just like they're not that many roles at companies versus engineers or some other functions. It's like a difficult role to break into, but these are the ways you can do it if you actually want to.