"God is never going to betray you—even if the church does.”

So says Nancy French, best-selling author and investigative journalist, on this episode of The Russell Moore Show. French, who is known for her groundbreaking reporting on abuse at one of America’s largest Christian camps, joins Moore to discuss her new memoir, Ghosted.

French talks about growing up in the Bible Belt, where she was sexually abused as a child by her Vacation Bible School teacher. She and Moore discuss the importance of righteous responses to people who have been harmed, the ways institutions too often cover up abuse, and how all of this shows up in partisan politics.

Their conversation highlights the power of love—specifically in the case of Nancy’s marriage to David French—in healing from trauma. Moore and French also talk about French’s experiences ghostwriting for high-profile families such as the Palins and the Romneys. They talk about shifts in political culture, the state of racism in America, and what it’s like to be part of a church family that is primarily made up of people outside of one’s ethnic culture. Their conversation also touches on adoption, online discourse, and the incredible work that God can do through personal relationships.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Nancy French
David French
Ghosted: An American Story by Nancy French
Joan Didion
Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis by J. D. Vance
Flannery O’Connor
Frederick Buechner
“They Aren’t Who You Think They Are” by David French and Nancy French
“What it’s like to experience the 2016 election as both a conservative and a sex abuse survivor” by Nancy French
Curtis Chang
“The Four Horsemen: Contempt” (The Gottman Institute)
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