This week we’re joined by Professor Anita Hill. She’s an author, lawyer, and host of the new podcast, Getting Even with Anita Hill.

We begin by discussing her excellent new program (5:24), which reexamines her landmark testimony against Judge Clarence Thomas (9:04), her precarious relationship with the legal system (12:57), the unnerving attacks she received in the aftermath of 1991 (19:34), the survivors of sexual harassment emboldened by her work (27:35), and why the structural barriers to justice remain in 2022 (32:17).

After the break, Anita replays the phone call she received from President Joe Biden in 2019 (36:45), the weight of her decision to speak out (41:35), the significance of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson’s Supreme Court nomination (44:48), her mother’s enduring influence (49:15), and a poem by Pauli Murray that keeps the song of hope alive in her (51:00).

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