Kami: The idea of compassionate curiosity is so very important in our world today. We need to try to understand where they're coming from and why they have the point of view that they hold. Social primates are not just social primates, we're ultro-primates as it's been called by some scientists. And when i hear a sound in the forest and i start discussing it with the my uh peers, what what we ought to do? That's the kind of discussion we're going to have given we know that we might disagree, and we'll sort of zero in on things.

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