How to Debate Yourself in the Story and Heretics

Jay Parini: I don't really, I don't think I can really answer that question. He says people who talk about DMT trips or LSD and they encounter these kinds of entities that are elves or whatever typically are saying pretty demonic stuff. But just kind of like neutral spiritual beings, to me, it's, most I know is Saint John the Maskus talks about ghosts, but he says ghosts aren't real. And in the same work, he says dragons are real, by the way, which is, there's like a short PDF of it going around.