A lot of those narratives around the potential transformative effect of the internet are also seized on by people who want to promote kind of the economic vision of the internet. Do you think that they were naive in what they potentially offered or what they saw as being possible through this technology? Was it always kind of set in stone that the way that we went was one where the market kind of took over the internet and vastly commercialized it just as though it takes over every other part of our society? Yeah. I mean, there were multiple forms of naivete. You know, the easy one was John Barlow came along and wrote the Declaration of Independence and Cyber Space. He was a grateful dead lyric

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