Is That the Most Useful Use of Your Time?

I feel like this ethical journey might be more common than just me and Kerry. I'm exposed at some point in my late teens to utilitarianism and I'm like oh this is obviously right. And then I guess there's just something where I realized like you know that's not even it seems like that's not the way that I even want to live my life right. Mm-hmm. The problem is like us as nerds we meet formal systems and math first and we're like yeah this is right and then we meet humans much later in life and we'reLike oh this doesn't work for humans and then you got to adapt things so that they are they are human usable.