The idea that there's all these different levels that are interacting with each other is a very powerful one. And not just because there are levels with different sort of levels of coarse graining, if you want, but that there are right levels in some sense, right? I mean, this is what you sort of got to earlier. Mean, there are there ways of describing these complex systems that just give you an enormously more powerful handle on what they're going to do.

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