There is a kind of lightness and joyousness that you get with this in contrast to the feelings of being like smacked down with this overwhelmed by it there all. In some of these descriptions I feel like anxiety and dread are the opposite of the emotions that that are being reported anything else you want to talk about about the states themselves before we maybe conclude with a discussion of the epistemology? "I love that it's very well described and I think it's like like it gets at something to you know like the negation is a big part of what it is that you're trying to do but it is on behalf of a deeper yes yeah"