Is There a Difference Between Catholicism and Atheism?

Gavin: If you have an institution that has an objective claim, right, to have God's interpretation or what God wants in that interpretation, then you have something that nobody else has. And so the situation between a Catholic who doesn't follow the teachings of the church and is excommunicated, it's just the same as like Baptists are not following their doctrinal statement. But yeah, I'll let you close your head into the thoughts or just where we go forward with this debate or anything like that.