Sand: Is there anything we can do to at least have a cushion where somebody can't just go from the d e a to one of these big pharmacuticls or company that facilitates all this cathy? That is a great question, ecause that is washington at its worst. And that happened big time during the opiote epidemic. Sand: The people that are in government to protect us from just the kind of pills you talked about, caty, hurt you and hurt so many others. There are laws to protect us. But those people went over to the other side and worked against us. It's stunning.

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