I think that's what my work is. Like we're all in this together. And I had no idea that the things that made me feel so much on the outside were the things that would ultimately when I stepped into some self worth be the things that connected me to strongness to other people. So there were, yeah, I'm not like a slow unraveling head of person as much as I would like to be. No, there was a decisive moment. In November of 2006,. I was at my outer wooden red painted breakfast stream table. I was coding a bunch of new data, asking this new question for the first time going back into the shame data. What about these men

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