I think if you look at studies majority of the shit that you're carrying in your life right now comes from ages one to five. My parents got divorced when I was about 11 or 12 and after they got divorced my mom had to get a little bit more hard as a single parent of five. It started to feel a little bit less safe for me so I think a lot that's when a lot of that more started to develop  of me trying to like figure out why people were doing what they were doing. Instagram was probably the first time that I was like oh shit people can build real audience around themselves, he says.

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