Embracing Diversity: A Misguided Approach

In this episode, Simone and Malcolm discuss the controversial idea that the pursuit of absolute racial equality may, in fact, perpetuate systemic racism and inequality. They examine historical and current statistics on hate crimes and economic disparities between ethnic groups, arguing that modern policies, particularly those driven by progressive urban monoculture, might be detrimental to the very communities they aim to uplift. The conversation delves into the complexities of cultural and genetic differences, the potential impacts of policies like affirmative action, and the broader implications for societal equity. Additionally, they touch on the future of genetic engineering and how different societal attitudes towards genetic modification could shape the evolution of human capabilities.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.

Today we are going to be talking about an interesting concept, which I'm gonna call the racism of equality. Oh, it is going to be how on , a belief in absolute equality ultimately leads to racism, and not only leads to racism in the truest form of racism, but prevents. Ethnic groups from rising up.

Mm-hmm. And I think that we've had this perception in the United States, which is not actually that accurate or it, the, the United States now because the urban monoculture says, I'm not racist. When you join the arm monoculture, you're not racist. You know, we, we, progressive, this is like the broadly progressive cultural group.

We even elected a, a black president that this means that racism. Like functional racism has gone way down and that blacks have like a much better position was in America than they did in the 1950s, which is always pointed out as like this evil, horrible time. Like you watch the shows, oh, 1950s, [00:01:00] 1950s, that's when everything was evil.

That's when the true racism existed. And I'm gonna argue that it's, it is mostly a facade that's changed and in a way that has actually hurt a lot of the communities that it claims to have helped. And now you can go to me and say, Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm. You can't possibly, you know, do not know about the lynchings of the 1950s.

Do not know how every black American lived in constant fear in the 1950s. When we went in our 1950s video, we were sure that all this stuff was true because I didn't, I didn't know about this stuff until I actually decided to look at the statistics. Well, and, and

Simone Collins: in school all we hear about is just, it was terrible.

It was terrible. The discrimination, the lynchings, the sit-ins, the terrible treatment. Yeah, absolutely.

Malcolm Collins: So, based on documented racial terror lynchings considered historic crime murders, there are 24 known cases of black Americans being murdered in hate motivated incidents during the 1950s. This figure comes from a compilation of [00:02:00] association with the National Memorial of Peace and Justice listing specific victims.

Such as Hillard Bullocks, Jr. 1950s Emmel till 1955, and Mack Charles Parker, 1959. Note that historical records may under count these numbers, is what you really have to lie on here. So keep in mind, we're talking about 24 numbers that we're aware of. Mm-hmm. Now let's look at the last. 10 years based on FBI and documented cases of hate crimes.

There were at least 27 known black American victim, those hate crime from 15 to 2024. Ooh, with the possibility of an additional underreported and unclassified instances. The FBI's total for anti-black hate, crime murder victims from 1991 to 2022 is 82. Okay, so this is like, okay, maybe you need to go to the previous 10 years.

Maybe we just had a high number right now. Yeah, 82. From 1991 to 2022, averaging is about two to three per year. If, if you want to know the, the instances here in 2015, char [00:03:00] Charleston Church shooting nine victims. 2017 stabbings of Timothy Coleman. 2018 Kentucky Grocery Store, shooting two victims.

2020 killing of our, are Arbery one victim 2022 Buffalo Supermarket, shooting 10 victims in 2023 Jacksonville, dollar Star General three victims. So over the last 10 years, there were approximately 27 to 30 victims, and in the 1950s, there were 24 victims. No you might say. Well, and in the 1950s, certainly this was under reported and we didn't get, maybe.

But I would like to challenge your prepositions about this. I bet you didn't think the numbers were not just close, but the current number of known killings was higher. Right? Like, I, I bet that that surprises you to some extent. It, it, it should. No, no. Let's look at, you're like, oh, but they're wealthier.

They're wealthier. They're wealthier. Now, like the, we've closed the income gap, so I'm putting on straight screen here. This is from the Wall Street Journal. This is not from [00:04:00] some like conservative or crazy publication or something like this. Mm. And this is the medium household wells adjusted for inflation between black and white families.

As you can see from the 1950s, the black wells has increased, almost none. Whereas the white wells has increased like three x four x. And then if you look here, you can go, okay, well let's look for another graph. Maybe the way that's being measured is weird. This is medium net worth. By age of, of, of household held.

And so this is black versus white, and you can see it really hasn't gone up that much here either. Whereas in white you see this explosion in wells.

Simone Collins: And this is, I mean, part of it's not surprising because even very progressive circles keep haranguing. Any public channel that will listen to you about how, you know, there's this, this systemic racism is a major issue and there's all this inequality and blah, blah, blah, but like it's worse.

[00:05:00] And we've been doing what they say, it's may have

Malcolm Collins: controlled culture. They have controlled media. Mm-hmm. Everybody knows the urban monoculture is controlled media. Everybody knows that the urban monoculture has controlled culture. Everybody knows they've controlled politics. The, their, their vision for what is necessary to fix.

This isn't just implemented by Democrats, it's implemented by Republicans. You know, like, affirmative action hasn't been repealed by Trump here and there. It's been appealed and like the university system and stuff like that. But broadly speaking, it hasn't been repealed. Why is it? That this change in general mindset towards other cultures hasn't led to black people moving up.

Why is it? That it seems to, and when I talk about it hurting them, right, they have lower mental health. Now, we talk about this in this episode. If you look at the born out of wedlock rate if you look at the American black family in the 1950s, 5% of [00:06:00] black children were born out of black wedlock versus 10% of white children.

I found other statistics here. Some will bring the black number up to like 17%, but I, I think the 5% is probably right. When I look at like the, the broad. Gist of also historical writings. At the time period, blacks seemed to be more into traditional family structures in that time period. And, and they had less you know, support structures.

So it made more sense to be extra secure when you have a kid. Now if you look today with the 5% of blacks being born out of wedlock in the 1950s, it's 78% today with 28% of white children being born out of wedlock today.

Simone Collins: And we actually just recorded. I don't know when it's gonna run an episode on, on Marriage in which, I mean, Brad Wilcox, he's, he's a big advocate for marriage and he talks about all the stats of the huge benefits of being raised in a two parent household as a kid.

And there's also it's not just him. I think there's a book called The Two Parent Privilege that I'm three quarters of the way through and everything's just so. Obviously in the favor of children who have two parents at home. So this is really bad. I mean, it's [00:07:00] one thing to be like, I don't know what's marriage anyway.

You know, divorce, rape, you know what, all Wal, it's, it's all gonna fall apart. But no, actually divorces are going down and marriage is really helpful for children.

Malcolm Collins: It's, it's not just. The, the progressive movements ideas around this are, are, are, are, are not working in like a vague sense. And, and keep in mind when she talks about stuff like this and you can be like, well the, the black unmarried rate isn't because of urban monocultural values, it isn't because of progressive values.

And I'm like, actually, I. No, we have direct evidence. It is in part because when BLM determined what black culture was and what needed to be promoted was in black communities, one of the things they said was non-traditional family structures. Even though we know that historically blacks were way more pro traditional family structures than whites, half the rate of kids being born out of wedlock than whites.

This is a modern phenomenon that has been pushed by the urban monoculture. But we also know that if you look cross-culturally, there was a great study. That was done looking at black [00:08:00] versus white income and, and iq. So keep in mind this is not me saying that black people. Genetically speaking, have a lower IQ than white people.

I, I'm not making that claim. I would never make that claim. But what I am saying is measured IQ within black communities, everyone agrees that this is lower than was in white communities. And presumably we should think that this is a problem. Like this is one of the things that when you're trying to reduce racism, you're trying to reduce this IQ gap.

Right. Except it turns out

Simone Collins: measured performance gap. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Because it's IQ is. Highly correlated with income and highly correlated with many other things like your probability of raping someone, your probability of committing any

Simone Collins: crime,

Malcolm Collins: any crime, really murder a lot of other things.

And to the progressive who's listening to this and thinks they just caught me saying something naughty. I need to be extremely explicit. Here I am saying that the measured IQ is lower, not that they are less intelligent. This is something that every civil Rights activist knows about and is trying to [00:09:00] fix when they, for example point out, look, the black students are falling behind in like the California school system. What can we do to help them catch up with other ethnic groups? That's the difference that I'm talking about here. I am not saying that they are less intelligent.

And I should note that this study is even less offensive than that because this study was not looking at iq, but just general test scores.

But, you take these two statistics and you say, oh, okay. What about republicans versus democratic controlled areas within our countries? Well, it turns out that when you compare black populations to white populations black population, the, the difference between the IQ gap and the populations and the difference in the income gap in the populations is significantly smaller within Republican held districts than it is within Democrat held districts.

Note the study I'm pulling this from is systemic racism does not explain variation in race. Gaps on cognitive tests.

So when you lean more on the affirmative action type policies, when you lean more on the democratic mindset, which is the urban monocultural mindset, it [00:10:00] leads to a bigger difference between these two communities. And, and actually the same study looked at Hispanic populations and you see the same smaller gaps between them and the white population and republican health districts and Democrat held districts.

And so what this tells me is that the wider. Thesis around how we resolve this that is being pushed by the Democrats. In the urban monoculture more broadly does not appear to be working and they need to gaslight you into things are so much better now than in the 1950s. I have a note here. People will watch this episode and they'll say, Malcolm is racist because he's pointing out.

Things might not have improved as much as we think they have since the 1950s. And I'm like, that's like the exact opposite of racism. Like you guys are much more racist in trying to cover this up. If you actually, well, if you care

Simone Collins: about any population, you should care about outcomes. And if, yeah, if income gaps are not improving, if rates of marriage, if children raised within marriages, which, you know, means children raised with more advantages is, is worse.

[00:11:00] Like, we need to talk about this.

Malcolm Collins: Exactly. Right. Like and, and, and, and if it's worse. But in, in correlation with how close it's 'cause. I'm sure also if you did the studies on this, the, the black few live in Republican communities almost certainly have lower rates of children being born out of wedlock as well.

I would guess significantly lower. But so you look at all this, you look at all this and, and you say, well, okay, so what's the core poison that's leading to anything really being done about this? The core poison, I think, can be seen by the way that it is the progressives more than the conservatives.

Who see our children and the children of families like ours that engage in genetic engineering as more inhuman monsters than the Republicans. And you would think the Republicans would. Right. You know, we go to lots of Republican conferences. People know, like it's been leaked now that we fund germline gene editing research and intend to use this when we, when we can.

This is the direct editing of, of, of human DNA. And you would [00:12:00] think it's the Republicans who would yell at us. So the Republicans are like, I disagree with what you're doing but I understand why you're doing it. Right. And I still like respect your children as human beings, right? I'm not gonna ban you from performing this sort of stuff.

Whereas the progressives, like America is a much more conservative country than most European countries. E, EE, except in, in most European countries. I can't even select based on gender. Right? Like much less select my, my embryos based on, on more advanced statistics. So, you know, this is you,

Simone Collins: you can't even test your embryos.

Come

Malcolm Collins: on, BRYO. This is true in like Italy and, and, and, and Germany and France and countries that are much more progressive, much more urban monoculture than the United States. And so the question is. Is, is. And when you look at even media so consider that in War Hammer 40 K which is generally, people think of it as like the conservative you know, sci-fi world, right?

Like, God, emperor Trump is the joke that everyone makes. [00:13:00] The Space Marine, which is like the core staple of this. And definitely on the human side, the, the, the theocratic human empire side they are. Of 100% genetically engineered they've got. They, you have to get their gene seed, and they're like, you know, I think like 10 feet tall or 11 feet tall on average or something giant superhuman, engineered to be superhumanly intelligent, superhumanly large.

Then you've got the custodians, which is even a higher class faction, which is even further genetically engineered. You know, the, the genetic engineering is a normal and lauded by the human, the theocratic human faction in this world. You look at the standard space, common nonsense of the progressives, which is Star Trek and Star Trek, you are considered an underclass.

You can't even go to Star Fleet Academy, as we have seen, if you have been genetically selected or genetically altered. And because this passes through generations, you become, and everyone in your family line becomes a permanent genetic underclass. And so I, I go to [00:14:00] progressives about this. And I'm like, consider what you're really saying here, right?

Like if my family engaged in this technology and then they, they look in horror and they're like, but if you continue to engage in this, what if in a few centuries, you know, you have descendants who are 10 feet tall and super intelligent and have like red eyes and, and you know, you, you what, what if you have these monster descendants?

And I'm like. Bro. What do you mean? What if I have these monster descendants? Like that's our intent. And one day your descendants are gonna know somebody like that. They're gonna have other people in their lives who are like, this person is the monster who should never be allowed to exist. And this person's like, why am I a monster?

I've never done anything to you. I've never been mean to you. Like what makes me a bad person? Right? I, I may as certain areas have proficiencies that you don't have, but should you. Kill a [00:15:00] group just because they are out competing you in some way. Right? Like if, if, if they, if they are not directly targeting you for eradication, you know, if they are letting that what they are producing, you know, if you had smarter humans today, smarter humans than you and I, I would 100% support them.

If AI became smarter than us, I would support it because it would be developing technology that we could use.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Right. Like I, I don't. Hate a thing because it's smarter than me. I hate a thing because it uses that to exploit me. But if it's developing stuff that I am using like the, the, the, the things that I have in my life that may, I mean, our house is powered by nuclear power.

I couldn't invent nuclear power. People smarter than me invented nuclear. You know, like ai, I couldn't discover something like that. People smarter than me discovered that. Right. And yet I rely on that for my daily use, you know, we benefit

Simone Collins: from, yeah, I mean, the fact that they exist is huge.

Malcolm Collins: The great shows and books I like and keep in mind that all this might become dramatically less [00:16:00] relevant when AI can do most of the things that human can do.

But I think that we're actually learning something about the broader progressive solution to racism. When they dehumanize my descendants, when they say that, well, you know, we can't have a society where there's these 10 foot tall you know, super soldiers. We can't have a society where the Space Marine exists.

And I'm like, but why? Why must these people be dehumanized? And it's because they are different, because they have different proficiencies and perspectives and abilities, and we can't allow humans who are different. To exist. And then when they say this little thing, they, the whole plot reveals itself.

The way that the urban monoculture solved racism is by pretending that we're not really different. Hmm. By pretending that everyone is [00:17:00] exactly the same and through pretending whether it is culturally or genetically. And here note, we personally never touch. Potential genetic differences between groups?

I just don't think when you're looking at the current genetic technology that that is a useful thing to do. I think it is, it, it is much easier to just assume that all groups are genetically identical to each other in terms of proficiencies and perspectives and outcomes. But. Part of the reasons we have to make this assumption is because we live under the dominion of the urban monoculture who just removes anyone as a talking head.

If they suggest there might be differences because the piece that they have created between these different groups revolves around. This shared, but if anyone was different, we would kill them or sterilize their parents. Well,

Simone Collins: or if anyone's better or worse off than anyone else. It's because of external factors, right?

That you know, they, you, you, you [00:18:00] also like victimize anyone who. Who isn't doing as well as other people in a way that, that disempowers them and doesn't empower them. It doesn't say, Hey, here are maybe some things you could do to improve your law. It's, oh, you should be blaming all these other people and then trying to get society to punish them or help you or take things away from them and give them to you or whatever.

Which I think is another problem.

Malcolm Collins: The point I'd make here is that, we are saying right now, we're just saying, okay, but what if this is 100% cultural, right? Like, ignore all the genetics. Just say it's a hundred percent cultural. Well, if it's a hundred percent cultural, this still means that the progressive who says.

Well, there's no reason that this culture's way of raising a kids should be producing a different outcome than this culture's way of raising a kids. And yet we can look between cultures and see that this is clearly true, right? Like there either, either the Jews are cheating. Or something, either [00:19:00] genetic or cultural is leading to them achieving disproportionate outcomes.

You can look at, like you, you know, Jewish people are in politics at like 500% the rate you would expect them to be. They are Supreme Court justices that like thousands of percent the rate you'd expect them to be. They, they, they're within the world's population of billionaires at thousands of percent the amount you would expect them to be.

Like either you need to say they're systemically cheating. Or you need to admit that either genetically or culturally, they are different in some way. And this is true for all groups that are different from other groups, right? And, and people can be like, well, what, what about historic oppression?

Right? Like black Americans were. Okay. Maybe except if, if, if, if we're talking recency here Japanese Americans had all of their possessions taken from them much more recently than African Americans did during the, the internment camps. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Intern internment. And for those not familiar with this part of American history, since.

Almost half of our audience is outside [00:20:00] the us. During World War ii, when it was understood that Japan was an enemy nation after Pearl Harbor, we literally rounded up Japanese families and put them in intern camps. They lost and stole all of their possessions, their businesses, they, and they were put in camps that were.

Rough not well appointed, you could say. And we just kind of, we don't really talk about it. I wasn't really taught a whole lot about it. I knew people whose parents were in internment camp personally, so I knew about it from that.

Malcolm Collins: But yeah. Yeah, like, like when people are like, oh, this is long ago.

Like, Simone knows people whose parents were in the generation that had everything strict with them, but Japanese Americans significantly out earn white Americans now.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And, and when I look at that, I have to say, did Japanese Americans cheat White Americans? Like if, if, if their culture isn't in some way, it's either their culture or their genes.

So the only two explanations for how this could have happened [00:21:00] if their culture isn't in some way leading to higher outcomes. How did they go from, from nothing. From having everything taken from them in their ancestors. They're about everything. Some people kept their businesses, but they certainly were on a back foot compared to white American.

I'm

Simone Collins: pretty sure the people who kept their businesses, like had them run by. non-Japanese people.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. We know some, some. So the people I know that were involved in this a white family took over their business who was like a friend of theirs and then gave it back to them when they got out of camp.

Yeah. But if you, if you didn't have somebody doing that, that's a big friend to do that for you. Yeah. A lot of

Simone Collins: people were like, no, I've got you. And then they conveniently, you know mm-hmm. Took everything so.

Malcolm Collins: There's that. So, so what I'm saying here is, is we have to, if, if you, okay, maybe you can come up with like, the Jews have cheated us way, and I've seen people who have been like the Indians have cheated on who the F thinks the Japanese have cheated us.

Like they don't seem to be overly nepotistic to other Japanese people from what I've seen, especially if you're [00:22:00] talking about intergenerational Japanese Americans, not like first generation Japanese, intergenerational Japanese Americans. Are like broadly just effing chill, man. Like I, I don't know that many people.

And, and they also have acculturated a lot to American culture, right? Like, so why are they outearning us? Right? What I'm pointing out here is the. Preposterousness of the urban monocultural position that no one is actually different from anyone else, that no group is culturally or genetically. But when you pretend this, what it means is you cannot go in and attempt to fix the culture because cultural differences are above reproach.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Right. It means you must blame it on the other group. You must say, oh, well if we just do more affirmative action, if we just do more trying to give this [00:23:00] group that for whatever reason, is producing less, less, less positive outcomes in terms of like economic success more advantages that eventually things will normalize that we don't need to go in.

And if you struggle to understand why affirmative action does so much damage, because I think people think affirmative action does a little damage to the communities , that get it, not that it does serious damage. So let's take affirmative action and, , think about what would happen if you applied it at the level of you.

Two princes. Okay. So, , one Prince on all of their tests, on all of their everything, , they just get rewarded more than the other Prince. You know, they score a 50 and the other PRINCE scores the 70, and it's treated like those are the same scores, or they score 70 and the other PRINCE scores a 70 and they get tons of praise.

And the other prince is scolded. , Or, you know, when they try to do an activity, , they get, , told, oh, you've, you've been much better at this activity than you actually are. Imagine psychologically those two princes grow up. How do you think the Prince who was always rewarded [00:24:00] is going to turn out vis-a-vis the Prince that was not e everyone, everyone Common sense tells you that Prince is gonna end up significantly less competent, less capable, less emotionally able to deal with life than the Prince who, , was just.

Treated as if this is your real score. If you do that to an entire community, you are psychologically sabotaging that community in a way that is almost psychotically evil. I.

If you were at somebody's house and you saw them treating two of their children this way, you wouldn't be like, oh, this person is a little bad. You'd be like, this person is a psychopath. Why are they doing this? They must know that this will have horrible, horrible outcomes for this kid who they're coddling.

But it's not just the affirmative action, it's that this family does not allow , the culture, the way the two little princes are acting to ever be brought up. You can't say this little prince is doing way more, you know, , he's stealing things at a much higher rate . , [00:25:00] You can punish him for it, but you cannot talk about it. You cannot mention it. And if you cannot mention it, then you cannot attempt to address it if you cannot. Talk about how cultural differences are leading to different behaviors, then you can't attempt to address it, which means that you bake it in permanently.

And what's funny here is if you look at for example, black activists. They know that this is b******t. Like so many black activists, if, if I'm looking at like the serious ones, they're like, yeah, we seriously need to work on black culture. Like this is up. If you have a bunch of songs about like. You know, f the police and like, let's join a gang and murder people.

Like that's obviously gonna have a negative effect on our culture. When you contrast that with what, what, what, what, what is white music? White music is country music. You look, you look at the, we have an episode where we did this, where you look at like the top five, it's like 20 country songs versus the top 20.

Rap songs and their themes. I think this was the episode that we called the Ification of African American Culture. Oh, yeah. And the theme of the country songs [00:26:00] are like you know, like, oh, I, I, I love my wife, I love my kids, I love work, I work hard.

Simone Collins: I make pickup truck. I appreciate what I have.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I appreciate what I have. And with the, the rap music, it's like, I like screwing lots of people indiscriminately and I have lots of money and I use that money to show women how great I am. I mean, it's like if you, and it's not that people aren't producing really high quality, like, like good for the youth rap songs.

There are so many rappers who attempt to do this. But for whatever reason within the culture, they're not achieving the same dominance as the, the the country songs that have these values. I mean, so the question can be, and people can even be like, oh, some country songs have negative values. They're a big theme in country songs, is a guy cheated on me so I murdered him or effed up his life.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Or like, I'm. Just gonna drink a lot. That's,

Malcolm Collins: or I'm just gonna drink a lot. Yeah. Well, [00:27:00] what's funny is, is the, the number one country song recently on that was by Shazi, which is actually a black country musician. Which is a great song, by the way. I love Shazi. He's a great musician. But that's, that's an interesting side point there.

But, people can be like, isn't that a bad value? And I'm like, I don't actually know if that is a bad value. I mean, if I'm contrasting that with the songs about how women love sleeping with me and how many women I'm gonna sleep with, and the song being popular and listening to all the way about how if I cheat on my wife, she's gonna key up my car or gonna like, you know, murder me.

I think that, that, that I'm gonna be less likely to cheat. I, I'm in the culture about women murdering people who cheat on them. Oh, fair.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: You know? No, no. It actually, it actually does teach. It's like, and if somebody cheats on you, be sure you get revenge. Yeah. And everyone,

Simone Collins: and here are the various ways, is here's some

Malcolm Collins: inspiration.

Yeah. Here's how I keyed up his, his, his, his car seats, because that was the thing he loved the most. And here's how I poisoned him and here's how I, yeah. And here's how, at his [00:28:00] funeral, I was sitting with all the other women who he cheated on, and we were laughing. You know, this is not it's a little intense.

This is not the same message as in terms of negative messages as I like sleeping with lots of people because I'm rich. But, but the point is, is like we can't have these conversations because the urban monoculture says, oh, you, you can't, you can't look at that. You can't look at why culture. And a note here, when I, when I talk about all of this, I'm not talking about this in a supremacist context.

I have, I have admitted very, very openly Japanese culture, despite us taking everything from them in recent American history, has found a way to outcompete us in a very short period of time, despite historic injustices. I mean, you know, the, the the, the, in, in recent historic injustices and Jewish culture has out competed us.

Like when I look to how I educate my kids like if, if I want to achieve what these cultures have achieved, I am going to take ideas from Jewish culture, which obviously we two of you watch our [00:29:00] podcast.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Like we, we study Jewish culture to steal from it so that we can one day outcompete it. I mean, my goal.

Is is through learning from the cultures that are outcompeting me to one day be better than them. I'm not, I'm not gonna, like we're different, right? We're on different teams. That's fine. Like you can be on a different team for somebody and still like get along with them. Right? And I think well and still wanna

Simone Collins: learn from their tactics too.

Malcolm Collins: And still, and still wanna learn and respect them. Right? And I think that this is where the urban monoculture, like fundamentally failed, right? Is it said that we're all the same and you cannot question that.

Simone Collins: And No. No. Well, and it's, it's just, there's so many weird contrast, like cultural appropriation is evil, but diversity is good.

So like you're also, per the urban monoculture, you're not even allowed to appreciate elements of other culture and integrate them into your own.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No, this is so true. This is, this is what cultural, you know, they're, they're, when they talk about, what is it, cultural appropriation. Mm-hmm. I cultural appropriation.

Like hell Yeah. Like I [00:30:00] look at where culture, they're

Simone Collins: good. Well, and that's the thing is also, like, my favorite thing about, one of my favorite things about Japan is their cultural appropriation. Like Japanese, Italian food. Oh, yes. And like the things that Japan has done with fashion and, and all these things from Western culture, like, yes, please, appropriate remix.

Like what is.

Malcolm Collins: There's also clearly places where like, because we talked about black culture in the negative context here, where black culture is clearly out competing our culture. Again, because I don't believe in genetic differences between race, something about black culture makes them way better at sports than white people.

Mm-hmm. If I just look at the number of professional athletes who are black, of course this has nothing to do with genetics. But also

Simone Collins: like there's like, there's a specific, like subculture or region or like tribal subgroup, that is extremely overrepresented on runways. Like just you've seen Yeah.

Which, like extremely statuesque. Absolutely. Drop dead gorgeous. Incredibly dark skinned, like very,

Malcolm Collins: very dark

Simone Collins: skinned. Yeah. And of course,

Malcolm Collins: Simone, this has [00:31:00] nothing to do with genetic, nothing to do with genetic, no, nothing to do with their genetics. It has to do with, with actually their culture. So I should look at how they raise their kids.

But I'm, I'm Jo, sorry. To, to, to pull back the jocularity here. There is an area where I believe that blacks hugely over compete because of culture in its music. Remember how I noted that? Even one of the number one, I think he might be the number one shazi might be the number one country musician right now is a black guy.

Like, yeah, but I mean also

Simone Collins: like, I, I think. So much of, even like modern white music is downstream of music pioneered originally by black subcultures. We noted that

Malcolm Collins: if you look at like, like blues and jazz, they largely even,

Simone Collins: even rock music. Yeah. Blues. I mean, jazz was just,

Malcolm Collins: jazz is what rock music was derived from Exactly.

Black forms of music at the time. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you could be like, oh, they weren't totally black. Bro, if, if, if my mom as a kid back then, back when things were more segregated Mm. If they saw me go to like a blues or jazz conference, like, like I'd be told it, I'd be like, you know, convention that's [00:32:00] happening in movies and stuff, right?

They're, they're like, how dare you go to that black mu mu musician? Right. You know, we see people writing about this like we. At the time it was understood that blues and jazz were black forms of music except blues and jazz created both rock and country music. Right? So even the, the white form, the whitest music

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Comes, comes from you know, downstream of, of, and I, I look at the top musicians. I mean, you can't even like, like black people clean up and top musicians, right? Like,

Simone Collins: well, and in so many sports, Olympic and otherwise. Yeah. Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: but I, I'm, I, I was joking there. I, I mean, I do believe that a lot of their dominance was in things like running and stuff like that.

Largely genetic. Like I don't, I don't think that anybody who's being serious is arguing anything other than that.

Simone Collins: No, I mean, well, and that's, I mean, I think there's, there's this quote from Obama, like even back in the Obama years, him, in the context of talking about the Olympics, talking about the strength and diversity, and you have all these different people together sort of showing their unique strengths and how that's really cool.

So yeah, even, even, you know, at [00:33:00] one point like it, I think just. Even recently, things have gotten so much worse where we can't even acknowledge things like that.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. But, but keep in mind here, the, the larger point I'm saying here is this way of dealing with differences this way where you say if somebody was actually different, they shouldn't deserve to exist, is fundamentally evil.

It is what we always hated about what racism was. The idea that some humans don't deserve to exist. And. Yet the urban monoculture has leaned so far into this because the way it attempted to deal with racism was by denying our differences. And as Simone pointed out, why would diversity even have value if we weren't different?

If, if everyone is completely interchangeable with anyone else, why would the percent of a certain, like why wouldn't it matter if a com company with all white or all black, you know, like why would that matter? Right. Like the, presumably all black people are completely interchangeable with all white people, so why [00:34:00] does it matter?

Well, but you're saying the

Simone Collins: crucial narrative of systemic racism, systemic bias of bias, systemic wealth and income inequality that is, that is extremely foundational to progressive thought.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah. But, but the point is, is that they're showing that they don't actually care, like believe it. Like if they say that diversity matters, diversity can't matter if people are interchangeable.

Because what that means is that people aren't actually bringing anything unique to the table, whether it's it's culturally or genetic. So, so, well, no, but,

Simone Collins: but I think that there's this belief in the need for a market correction where there are some people who are different in outcome because. They were part of the group that was unfairly treated and therefore.

We have to bring them in as a diversity hire or diversity inclusion to correct the injustices of the past.

Malcolm Collins: Right, right, right, right, right. But what that is, is that's a belief in diversity as an aesthetic and not a belief that diversity is actually intrinsically good, which is what [00:35:00] you and I believe.

We believe that diversity is good because when you have a diverse population, you can get so people don't know better results. Better results. The common area we come to is this is, if you look historically like, like look at COVID, right? Like what happened with COVID in the United States, we actually had a, a much saner response to COVID than other countries, right?

Because we, we had two, two populations in our country. One population said, Hey what we should do to determine what is true and what isn't true is, sort of certify experts who have spent their entire life studying a subject and then to know who's an expert, while have a central body that certifies those experts.

And then the other group said, Hey. I understand why that seems logical, but that central body could become corrupted and therefore we should determine truth on our own. And we've had this fight before. This was the fight that we had with the, when the Protestants broke from the Catholic church, one group said, true should be determined why?

People spent their entire life studying a subject and have been [00:36:00] certified by a central authority. And the other group said, no, no, no. Two should be determined by individuals. Well, it turns out, if you look at the United States in the COVID fight. The, the regions that were overly settled by Protestants, typically rural regions were way more pro the, Hey, we should solve this individually.

The regions that were mainly so settled by Catholics, the urban regions, were way more, Hey, no, and, and the democrat regions, because there's still a huge correlation between those two groups. The majority of, of, of Catholic majority regions of the United States are still Democrat voting. They, they, they said oh, no, we should trust the authority.

Well. Okay. That allowed us to come to a sane middle ground because QAN on kind of went crazy with this. That was in the Protestant controlled region, was just like distrust everyone. And then we look at what happens when you go with distrust authority. You get China's zero COVID policy, which was insane and killed a bunch of people.

Yeah. Like, like America actually is served by our diversity, like America dominates music production, but our music production domination, and not just music production, but the history of modern music as Simone pointed [00:37:00] out, like rock and roll and Ja and, and, and, and pop and, you know, what's the, what was the other one that we were talking about here?

Country. Well, country

Simone Collins: being downstream. Rock and roll, which is downstream. They're

Malcolm Collins: downstream of not just black music, but black American music.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: If you look at the, if you look at the world musicians who are most consumed today in terms of like. Exporting your culture. They are black Americans who are dominating that.

If you look at a global business it it, okay, yes, American Jews may be like, Jews may be dominating it, but it's American Jews that are dominating that section. If you look at the, the Jews who have the disproportionate amount of wealth, yeah, the, the number of them are in Israel but the majority are American.

If, if you say, oh, well what about all of the Indians who have taken over the American tech companies? 'cause you look at the fame companies now, they're like, all run by Indian. It's like, yes. It's like, , I think Microsoft. Google. Google.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, oh, I think, I think even Oracle is run by an Indian now.

Or you, it, I don't know. Anyway, like a huge number of the, the, the big companies that are run by Indians now [00:38:00] who can be like, this is, this is so horrible. And I'm like, yeah, but. Indians in India aren't running these companies. Like there's a few major tech companies in India, but nothing like the ones in the United States.

It, it is through allowing groups to exercise their proficiency and through appreciating that we are actually different and that's okay. Okay. And one of the things that we should be doing is looking at the ways that we're different and stealing those from other groups. And then suppose hypothetically, we're in a world where people are genetically different.

Okay. Where people are genetically different and, and one day genetic technology, the germline needed gene editing that we've been caught, funding actually is commonly used. People would say, well, don't you want your group's genes to win? And I would just laugh at them. I would laugh, laugh, laugh, and I'd be like, f no.

You know, if. Another group was faster than my group. I would look at their genes for fastness and I would take those into my descendants, and if another group [00:39:00] genuinely had better. Ability to like, understand and hear melodies and music. I'm not gonna, I have no ability at that stuff. I would like an ability at that stuff.

If another group had that ability at that stuff, just as much as I culturally appropriate other groups, I would genetically appropriate that group. I'd go to them and say, Hey, people are like, they think that like, we're gonna like be the like white Arian, like, like maximizing that. And I'm like, bro, no, no, no.

Well, well

And people here could be like, well, if you give your descendants genes that aren't from, you know, your own ethnic group, isn't that sort of cucking yourself? And the answer is no. None of those genes on the aggregate help my gene spread further. So what I mean by that is, and th this is what we're doing when you're, when you're mating with somebody, you are trading part of your genes for part of their dreams to try to, , create a better pairing.

, So. If, for example, I was obese and I took the genetics for somebody who wasn't obese, , and added them to my gene pool, which would be very small. You know, you're talking like [00:40:00] 1e-05% of like, of, of overall genetic footprint here. And then it helped the rest of my gene spread more or compete more. , I have overall helped my genetic set and also keep in mind that.

What your kids are. It's not just your genes. They're a combination of your genes and your decisions. If I made a choice about the genetics of my offspring or descendants, , and that choice was incorporated into my gene pool, that is still coming from me. I.

If your pride, your inability to see where your own genetics could be improved is what prevents you from outcompeting other groups in the long term. , You know, that's, that's just a failing of yourself. That's ultimately being cucked by your own pride, by being unable to say, I am not a genetically perfect being.

, Other groups have things that I would want in my descendants. Which in many ways makes us, you know, for people who think we're supremacists almost sort of anti supremacist in a way.

Simone Collins: I'm a very common accusation is people think [00:41:00] that we. Think we have superior genes and we, we wouldn't be so interested in this if we didn't want to, to change our genes.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. And I wouldn't be different. It's so interested in preserving diversity if I didn't think that cultural genetic diversity would be of utility to my descendants.

And I, and I genuinely mean that it will be of my utilities, my descendants, even groups that like. If I am looking for like, unique genetic sets, so you do not find in the west, that could be of, of advantage in the same way that people are like, we need to just preserve the rainforest as ecology because think of the medicines you could find there.

You know, when we talk about like genetic tribal groups that have been isolated from other populations for a long time, that's where we're probably gonna find the most. I, I'm talking like in aggregate. Like unique human genetic sets that are actually really useful because they, they are just more unique and more different.

And, and so like, I actually like, the left is like aesthetically I want to protect this tribe. And then I'm like, this tribe [00:42:00] is low fertility. They're gonna go extend soon. And they're like, well, we need to preserve their dignity in the meantime. Like, why, why do you care about this random tribe? And I'm like, I care about this random tribe.

And because there's something of utility to me and my descendants because I actually care. About group differences. And like, like, like at a, at a deep fundamental level because I think that that's where humanity strengths comes from. And I think that like as we transition out of this dominance from the urban monoculture, we can choose how we relate to, to you know.

Understanding that we are genuinely different populations. 'cause this, this understanding is gonna become mainstream eventually. Everybody knows it at this point. Well,

Simone Collins: especially when people can start to pick and choose the traits that they want. What's, what I'm even more excited about is when people are gonna start pick and choosing traits that.

Picking and choosing traits that nobody else has yet. You know, like I want purple irises, I want neon green hair. I want pointy ears naturally. I think that that's gonna get a lot. Well, and there

Malcolm Collins: are gonna be people who say that [00:43:00] these people shouldn't exist and they must be killed and blah, blah, blah, blah, but, but they're not, at the end of the day, the people who engage with this technology are eventually just going to.

Be able to outcompete other populations on the economic and political stage. And because of that the groups that have targeted them for eradication I, I'm not even gonna say out of like vengeance or anything. 'cause I, I don't particularly feel vengeance as a, as a motivation, but out of self preservation instincts don't, don't declare war on something, as I often say, was ai, like, these people who are like, AI is gonna be a thousand times more powerful than humanity, therefore we must eradicate it.

And I'm like. I would not be saying that if I thought something was gonna be a thousand times more powerful than me in the near future I would be saying, Hmm, thank you, AI overlords. I'll find a way to work with you. And I do think that AI will be more powerful than humanity in the future. And I think that we can find a way to work with it as, as it becomes, because this is one of the things you see with within these cultures is if AI is better than us, that it will want to kill us.

And I'm just like, [00:44:00] and, and better might be the wrong word, I'd say more capable within specific domains. And I'm like. Not necessarily like if so long as we have some differential utility, I would want to keep a thing around. And it's, it's, it's the mere fact that you, because you grew up in the urban monoculture, don't have a way to relate to things that are in any way, have the potential to outcompete you, that you're saying this, and this is why we need to update this.

You know, we often talk about this, you know, as ai, that we have the covenant of the sons of man, which is to say that we. Have a job to all protect each other's autonomy.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: The, the groups that opt into, you know, genetic augmentation and the groups that opt out of genetic augmentation that are willing to protect groups that are different from them.

The reason why we need to be. Willing to protect each other is because the other types of intelligences, that means people who may engage with genetic augmentation, who end up much more proficient than than my population or the ais. If, if the going treaty that humanity has [00:45:00] is we kill or prevent the existence of anything that's better than us.

When we enter a world where things that that can outcompete us like AI exist. We make ourselves an existential threat. , And, and fundamentally, humanity's continued existence requires this new alliance. And that's just where we are as a species right now. We, we've got to get over this stuff or we're all gonna die, and we've got about a generation to do it

And I know that this is something we have to get over, even if we fully stop the development of ai, because as soon as humanity becomes an interstellar species and we're on multiple planets, some of those planets will inevitably break restrictions on genetic or AI technology. , And then. If it is a standard ban, like if any civilization does this, we will kill them.

, Then everyone else becomes their enemy. , But it gets worse than that because when you have people living on different planets, you're almost certainly gonna get speciation begin to take, and humans of different [00:46:00] proficiencies begin to develop. And if any of them develop above the average in terms of something like intelligence, now they would have the belief, and rightly so that the rest of humanity would attempt to kill them if they learned that.

Turning the rest of humanity into an existential threat for any faction that's different.

Essentially the mantra the urban monoculture preaches is that humanity is all exactly the same in terms of our perspectives, our proficiencies, everything like that. But if there were different iterations of humanity, the only true iteration, the only good iteration, is the one that is the most inefficient, the one that is the least intelligent, the one that is the least capable, which is to me almost.

The, the, the purest form of evil to perceive reality this way.

Malcolm Collins: now, fortunately.

If the groups that engage with this stuff can outcompete within this generation and engage with AI within this generation we may just not have to care about the other groups that want us dead. Like if they [00:47:00] don't have the power to make us dead, you could treat them like a zoo. I don't care. I'm, I, I, I, again, do not believe in active vengeance.

So long as they aren't an active threat.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and you know, refusing to engage with technology isn't going to help them, so we'll see. But yeah, don't, don't make yourself an existential threat to anything that's going to be powerful. Bad idea.

Malcolm Collins: The wider point of all of this is, is that the way that Progressives engaged with diversity was to say we're actually all the same.

And I think that not only was this. Obviously it's stupid and not true. But it led to vulnerable groups doing. Potentially worse over time. Mm-hmm. It led to a superficial feeling that we had fixed racism or largely fixed racism when functionally we had actually, and the groups that adopted this more, as we pointed out with the democratic regions where blacks did worse, we'd actually made things worse [00:48:00] for these communities than the alternate mindset, which is we're all different and that's okay.

We can ally with people who are different from us. We can work together with people who are different from us. In fact. It is our differences that make us working as a team stronger, which is different from what many conservatives believe, you know, that, that they, that they're like, oh, you know, we we're, we're, and I think that this was a historic conservative perspective, we're different and I should only fight for my group.

Yeah. And I, and I view that as a fundamentally un-American thing to believe, and I mean, un-American in the most deep way. I can mean that that is not what this country was founded on. And people can be like, oh, this country was founded by. You know, white Christian, whatevers right? And I was like.

Clearly you were not taught American history because Yes, while we were founded by white Christians. If you read Albion Seed or you read American Nations, or you study Early American history the, the belief systems and the culture of these early founders was actually dramatically more diverse.

Than America [00:49:00] today. Like, like there were Americans back then that thought slavery was the greatest thing in the world, and others that thought that it was the most evil thing in the world. Well, there were

Simone Collins: lots of, there were so many different foundational groups that came to the United States. Some came two major groups.

The, the Quakers and the Puritans came based on interest in religious freedom. Yes. But then one group was basically capitalistic, fortune seeking second and third sons. And, and the other one group was like, like rejected wild people.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I mean, wild people, like if you look at my ancestors during these early periods, they literally didn't believe in money.

They traded alcohol instead of money. Like the, the, the differences between these populations was way bigger. Then the differences between you and your average black person or Chinese person, or even urban monoculture person like. Every Christian today in America or about every Christian agrees that like you shouldn't be allowed to own other human and you shouldn't [00:50:00] trade women for money.

Like that was not agreed upon by early Americans. Okay? They agree that you shouldn't kill someone because they look at you wrong and other groups saying, oh no, you should. No, no. Early American. Oh yeah. Some groups thought you could dual. Some groups thought you should. Like the Quakers in Pennsylvania, there were the period where their, their settlements were being raided and people raided and people were being murdered and griped by pirates and they wouldn't even send out police to stop them because they thought this was evil.

Like if you think that the urban monoculture is pacifist today, whereas you go a few hundred miles for them to the backwoods cultural regions in their area, and they would regularly just murder people who live near them or Indians who live near them because. They wanted their stuff or because they looked at them wrong.

Or they looked down on them.

And they also had a practice where they would sharpen their fingernails. So it was easier to gouge people's eyes out, uh, when these people disrespected them, which was apparently very, very [00:51:00] common within this culture to just go out and gouge someone's eyes out. So you had living next to each other, a culture that was.

So extreme peaceniks that when their people were being griped by pirates, they refused to intervene because violence's bad. Living next to a culture with so animalistically violent, that they sharpened their fingernails to gouge out people's eyeballs, which you could do without any sort of criminal repercussions in these regions.

Malcolm Collins: The, the difference in degree here is I, I think it shows when people are like, oh, America was always, historically it was homogenous. I'm like, you, America was an alliance of wildly different cultures. Mm-hmm. That it's the fundamental core strand of America. The thing that has changed.

Is now those cultures consolidate online and not in geographies. It is true that the one thing that really changed between the two periods is that most cultures in early America [00:52:00] lived in just one region and, and didn't move to other regions very often. And now, or when they did,

Simone Collins: they did so in, in groups and just settled in chunks.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And now we live among, among the people who are different than

Simone Collins: us. Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm. And, and that, yes, that is different. But I just can't, I, I just find this so funny, this idea that somebody would think that, that they would have more differences. In values from your average monoculture person, then your average Cavalier Southerner would have from your average Quaker, or your average Quaker would have from your average Puritan, or your average Quaker would have from your average backward people, or your average backwards person would have from your average.

It just shows like a complete. And this, this is the problem with like this, this, this lack of history that we're taught because this isn't an important part. People when they, when they study this part of history, they just talk about like slavery. Literally. They're just like slavery bad. And it's like, can we not talk about like the actual history of how different American populations were?

Now I need to be clear here. [00:53:00] What I am not saying is that within a region it always improves. The more diversity there is, diversity can be thought of as ingredients. They are actually different from each other. You a dish is not better just for having more ingredients in it.

It's how those particular ingredients go together. And we are better as a civilization for having more ingredients. That is true. Like I am going to be able to make better dishes the more total ingredients there are in the world, which is why global diversity is something that we fight to protect. But that doesn't mean that with in any particular region, you are going to want, uh, every particular ingredient right next to each other.

Yeah.

Speaker 5: A few billion years ago, we realized, what if we took species from all different planets in the universe and put them together on the same planet? Great tv, right? Asians, bears, ducks, Jews, deer and Hispanics, all trying to live side by side on one planet. It's great. Our [00:54:00] planet is just a reality TV show.

Well, you don't think the whole universe works the way earth does, do you? No. One species. One planet. There's a planet of deer, planet of Asians, and so on. We put them all together on earth and the whole universe tunes in to watch the fun.

If you're listening to this and are like, Hey, I didn't know this stuff, or I don't know this stuff, and I'd like to improve my knowledge of early American history, what books can I read that will give me a good understanding of these cultural differences? The two books are the ones that we mentioned, uh, Albian Seed and American Nations.

If you read those two books or listen to them on audiobook, uh, you have a fairly good understanding of the early American cultural groups and just how radically different they are from each other.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway, dinner tonight.

Simone Collins: Do we have

Malcolm Collins: anything that I need to get through

Simone Collins: so we can do. More teriyaki chicken. I could get out some mango curry for you

Malcolm Collins: with rice. Got okay. That teriyaki chicken was baller. You just wanna do it again? Let's do more teriyaki chicken because we, we

Simone Collins: still have the beans sprouts that I don't wanna go to waste.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. [00:55:00] Do teriyaki chicken was beans sprouts, but add some frozen pineapple this time.

Simone Collins: We don't What makes you think we have frozen pineapple?

Malcolm Collins: We put it because I got it for a fozzie and we never used it. Oh

Simone Collins: my gosh. Right. Oh, okay. Frozen pineapple. Do you still want me to add hoisin sauce and peppers?

MSG additional? Well, no, there's, I have to add a bunch of teriyaki sauce just from our thing 'cause we don't have anymore. Okay. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Peppers. Okay.

Simone Collins: Red peppers, but not too many. You only want three, right?

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Three. A good spice last night.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And this sounds really good. More rice than last night.

Simone Collins: Okay. And, also still sliced onion as well?

Malcolm Collins: No, no. Sliced onion is necessary when you have the, the beans sprouts.

Simone Collins: Oh, okay. 'cause I did, I did onion last night too.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, the onion's good, but I just prefer more beans SPRs than onion. And, and I, I, and you could do a higher proportion of be sprouts to chicken than you did last night.

Simone Collins: Okay. Then we're on for that because I, I don't, I don't think after, like after today, we're gonna [00:56:00] probably start to see a significant drop off in quality. So I say we use it all in tonight.

Malcolm Collins: Great. Sweet.

Simone Collins: So don't feel bad if you don't eat at all. But I will give you more rice too.

Malcolm Collins: Good. I'm forward to rice basically doesn't cost that much, you know?

Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah. Especially 'cause this isn't coconut lime rice, so it's just the rice.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. You're super good. You are an absolute princess. I hope you enjoyed that episode. I thought that was an interesting.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, it's just such a, it's such an important issue.

Malcolm Collins: It's something we've been talking a lot about as reporters, but we haven't gotten a talk to talk with our, our fans about it, you know?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Fair point. Yeah. And it, it's just, it's, it's just frustrating and, and keep in mind, especially because you and I were, were really deep in progressive culture growing up, so maybe it's more interesting to us because we feel like we've been lied to, so egregiously.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And keep in mind the one thing I did not claim in this episode, if you wanna be a progressive and go through this, I very explicitly did not claim that there are any genetic differences between different [00:57:00] human groups.

I, I, I, I, I. It's like your seventh

Simone Collins: time saying that. That's

Malcolm Collins: right. All

Simone Collins: of the differences to

Malcolm Collins: culture. Okay. I was just saying that we're not allowed to even ask that question and everyone knows you're not allowed to ask that question. And I mean even, and, and, and that's all I said. So you can't say that Malcolm thinks or believes or said ever, ever, ever.

Because I didn't. I did not say that. That is you who is saying that? Okay.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I don't know, but I don't think anyone cares anymore, but Sure. You're welcome. There are no differences.

Malcolm Collins: All right. Love you, Simone.

Simone Collins: I love you too. I'll I'll call you when dinner's ready.

And people can ask, oh, well Malcolm, why don't you just have the integrity to go out there and investigate the really hard stuff, like differences between groups? , And I'm like, I am the public face of the prenatal list movement. There are a lot of people who want to address this issue, which is a much bigger and more [00:58:00] immediate issue to address that would have their reputations damaged if I tried to ask those types of questions.

So it's better to just not engage with any question where, when you know that you can't, , if one of the answers turns out to be true, you can't say it, , because it would cause more damage than a thought. And, and then what I'm saying here is I'm not saying, oh, I hold these secret beliefs or something.

I'm just saying I'm not engaging with these questions because there is no point in ever engaging with a question where, you know, if the answer turns out one particular way, you are not going to be allowed to say it. Because keep in mind, while you might be a marginally employed person who doesn't have to worry about saying controversial things, , many of our supporters and followers have like regular office jobs, and if they voice public support for the ISTs movement and then figures within the movement are tied to concepts that we're not allowed to talk about in our society, , that they could lose their job. Like you, you've gotta keep in mind, this isn't about us. This is about the [00:59:00] people who support us. Why we don't ask questions, where we know we will not be able to talk about it. If the results, when we dig into it, turn out one particular way.

Malcolm Collins: Any interesting ideas you came across today? Any, any fun?

Simone Collins: I was just dealing with, you know, private equity, nonsense. I'm so mad about RFPs. They're just like, they're, they've become, I, I feel like they was a time perhaps when government based requests for proposal actually worked, but now they're just such a farcical waste of time.

That I, I, I, I want the government to burn down. I just want it to all burn. It will though, give it time. I mean, we know it will, like just because of graphical collapse, I know it will. And that is my one, my one solace when I'm sent. Stupid bureaucratic requests that I [01:00:00] know are a waste of my time. But I know that it's my fiduciary responsibility to respond based on our investors' best interests and things like that.

So there's, you know, there's this, this, this. If, if we were German, they would probably be a word for it. But this brand of hopelessness, when you know you have to do something that's a complete waste of your time and it's not gonna make any difference, but you have to do it anyway.

Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm. Anyone hopelessness, a new form of hopelessness, bureaucratic hopelessness.

I am so glad that you do that on behalf of the family. Everyone's like, oh, wives have to make dinner. I am sure you don't see making dinner as like this major burden, but that's, this is the fun

Simone Collins: part, dude. Yeah, that's fun's the major

Malcolm Collins: burden. All right.

Speaker 6: Uh, not that long. I think so. Jenny's a little smaller. So this is Jennys big sister. You wanna trade? No, no, you can't trade. Yours is a little smaller. That's fine. Octavian and mine is a little bigger, but I would [01:01:00] see. Well, if you're good, then you can have a big one too.

But if you get a big one, then what's gonna happen to Jenny? Are you just.

Yeah, but you're gonna abandon Jenny.

Just Jenny like that. I think Jenny would be really sad if you wanted to play only with a bigger fox. No. I'll play with the, alright, it's John.

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