The National Publicism in Catalina

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In spain, the rise of this movement was our form of national publice. How to deal with that? Well, it's difficult because spain is a sort of federal country. The government in catalinia has power, education, police. And they use all this power to support this movement. What we can do with that? Yes, the scottish example, it's as the example in quebec. At the beginning, i must confess that i was in favor of the referendum. I'm not right now,. first of all, this is a reactionary movement. That's what must be said. This is not a democratic or progressive movement. It is not

Javier Cercas is one of Spain’s most distinguished novelists and a columnist at El País. His books, like Soldiers of Salamis and The Anatomy of a Moment, explore the history of modern Spain and the role of historical memory in contemporary life.

In this week’s conversation, Javier Cercas and Yascha Mounk discuss Spain’s transition from dictatorship to democracy, the movement for Catalonian secession, and how countries should approach their often complicated pasts.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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