The Risk of Masochism

Duluth: Batai was the one who tried to think about the limit of capitalism. Do we risk then making recourse back to this more sophisticated utilitarian position, which Batai would absolutely be against? What would be the bulwark that we could create for ourselves so that we don't do that? Duluth: Is it, is your main line of thought this ecological project? Are there other paths that can be taken with masochism just from your interaction with it? I mean, the legacy of Cain, it was, it was about property is about work, death, love, war, right? How, how might one go about trying to apply masochism or

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