The Negative Experience in Isolation

Andrew: Most people who come out of a background, whether it's a very extreme, like in a destructive cult, or if there's an abusive sort of narcissist, like leader. And so I think that is something to really, it's important to understand that most people have done this in isolation. It can also be really deeply discouraging because you're like, all these people show up to church, like it's so easy. So we also, at being bold, and we teach people how to back away from that ledge,. Like just like with anger or any kind of strong emotion, there's this little split second window, like before someone's going to go from zero to 10