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i think privately, it's almost like he, occasionally, he will say something, you know, like he did with a the russia investigation. But then feels, to is podcast, it feels very much like he's playing to the crowd. The thing at's kind of strange about him too, i think, is that he says all these outlandish things. That's that' a stevebannon, theatrical voice. And then when he's speaking anonymously to reporters, i think very often you can still understand that it's him,. It sort of like fake militaristic, like calla duty players.