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Introduction
Peter Mackendou is the leader of a group called Birds Aren't Real. He says that between 1959 and 2001, the US government killed all the real birds and replaced them with bird-shaped surveillance drones to spy on the American people. After years of bird-truthing, Peter is finally talking as the real him,. not the character that he played in that van. We're going to talk about what he learned on the road and how that changed the way he thinks about approaching people with fringe beliefs.