iam glad you mention that example, because it is the single most frequently mentioned example that i despiseand really dislike. I think if they had picked a large enough fine, they wouldn't have seen n increase in people being late. So i don't think you want to say, as one should say, and it is a general principle that substituting money for normsa is counterproductive. But then the trick would be to go into each particular case and ask, how does this balance out?

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