simon: I believe this issue is being magnified to the unpteenth degree. joe feels like, because it's so magnified and no one's really pushing back on the other side, he has a massive platform. i just wonder how many people actually truly care about this, or how many are just fuckin pandering,. Mat: He could easily have said, well, if you want my position pltcass and this podcass isn't what i'm saying that's not what i'm saying. But they're having a discussion with her, but as long as they are saying these things are allowed to be discussed...simon: It shouldn't stop the discussion or