I think there are two reasons why we need intrinsic natures one I'm not sure it's intelligible to have a picture of the world without them forget about consciousness. The other is There is this reality we know about and It's hard and it's hard to see how you can account for it in Causal structural terms But that's a that's in a way that there's two steps to that argument right? So so maybe maybe we could get into our good. Tell me tell us why okay Let's get into that argument, but I think I've just clarified myself what's going on. You seem to be saying that the I believe in intrinsic natures because I think consciousness is

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