Harold jarkey: It has been such a pleasure getting to talk to you in person. And i would love to see undergraduate programms adopt this model and and get this happening with our students, just as they come in. I've got so many links on this particular episode with here, old jarkey went a little crazy taking notes. If want to not have to remember to go to the episode notes, but get them in your inn box, you can just go to teaching and hired dot com, slash subscribe.