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Jackie was a real, that project, I think a lot of 14-year-olds really liked that project. If you're like our age, if you're like 30 or in the late 20s, you hated it. So there's a certain type of person who went to Jackie and certain types who would go to major laser. We were just, it was so colorful. Like when you're 14, I remember the first time I heard like Nirvana was like, I'm going to play guitar. You're like, this is raw as hell.
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