In a crisis like we're in now, it's not to be with the big titles to step up. You learn quickly who can handle a new can. In Goldman Sachs, we had two co-COOs. And one of them really became Lloyd's pot partner and did every the other one would not come into the office. He was so traumatized. So trying to pretend like the reality doesn't exist is not going to make the situation better for anyone.

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