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I think regardless of where it was coming from, we could get the details straight. My goal for society would be one in which it's less and less the case that people are struggling with those kind of constraints. And last question, how do we get there? I mean, do you think that is about some forms of political action? Do you think it is about all of us changing our understandings? What kind of society we should want?
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