You're older than me and have been working on these things your entire life. I am already tired and overwhelmed at times with the challenge ahead of us. How do you manage with this much energy given the scale of the task? How do you not lose hope and and vitality? You know, energy in the universe is not the goal and the all-in underground. It's now 8.30 p.m. your time. You've had a full day and you're still full of energy and poetry and wisdom on this podcast. We haven't even had dinner yet.

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