This week on Pathfinder, we’re kicking off a special three-part series on lunar architecture, brought to you by our friends at Lockheed Martin. To kick off the series, we’re exploring the future of lunar architecture more broadly with Rob Chambers, Director of Strategy for Human Space Exploration at Lockheed Martin, and Alex MacDonald, Chief Economist at NASA.
In this episode, Alex and Rob share their perspectives on the complexities of building sustainable lunar missions and the critical technologies shaping the future. The discussion dives into the integration of international collaboration, public-private partnerships, and groundbreaking innovations that will enable humanity’s return to the Moon and its next steps across the solar system.
We also cover:
- NASA’s Artemis program and the Moon-to-Mars exploration strategy
- The role of international and commercial partnerships in advancing lunar missions
- Foundational infrastructure, including habitats, rovers, and nuclear power systems
- Lessons from Apollo and how they inform today’s approach to sustainable lunar exploration
- The evolving lunar economy and what it might mean for humanity’s future in space
And much, much more...
• Chapters •
00:00 - Intro
01:25 - Rob's and Alex's background
04:22 - NASA's vision for the Moon
09:15 - NASA and Lockheed: their history with the Moon
13:36 - Lessons from previous Lunar missions
16:34 - What has changed to allow partnerships to be more efficient?
25:13 - Challenges working with international agencies
30:35 - Helium-3 mining and other lunar business models
37:14 - Lockheed's Lunar Roadmap
43:05 - Who are the other players in the Artemis program and collaboration?
49:56 - Resiliency and risk
55:13 - End goals for Lunar missions in the next 100 years
01:02:41 - When are we landing on the Moon?
• Show notes •
Lockheed Martin’s website — https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/space/human-space-exploration/water-based-lunar-architecture/lockheed-martins-lunar-architecture-novella-white-paper.html
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