Is There a Difference Between Catholicism and the Catholic Church?

"If you're listening, if you're just trying to score a rhetorical point, you're probably not going to make any progress," he says. "I think by anti-Catholic I would mean like you are actually a force of evil in our culture ... and there was a lot of like horror Babylon and you were shooting me." He adds that each debate is an unfinished process: "Over time you make progress".