The High Water Metaphor of Lando Calerissian and Han Solo in Return of the Jedi

Kevin J. Anderson, who famously has written a number of Star Wars novels, was on the podcast and gave us what he considers the high water metaphor for this. There's a certain amount of gleeful playfulness that you can do where you're like, you told me that I can't do this thing, let me see if I can still be respectful to the IP. The other thing that I want to say is that I think understanding that collaboration is not going to be the same way every time.

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