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Kathy Davidson and Kristina Cada POTUS joined me for today's episode. Kathy: One of the things that lifts me up is your program I mean it's such a generous thing that you do, so glad to have all these opportunities to learn from you both. Kristina get off our lawn made me chuckle because I think one of the ways to cure myself of when I'm feeling that way is to be around people like the two of you. Head on over to teaching in higher ed dot com slash subscribe to get those weekly emails in your inbox.
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