The Metamorphosis of a Crank

I had Dave Ruben on the podcast a couple of years ago, this was, I think, 2019. When you interview a conspiracy theorist, you can kind of tell in their discourse,. There's often a very sort of crankish, antisocial aspect to the way they converse. In Dave Ruben's case, at least for a while, he seemed to coexist as interviewing some very marginal figures.