Hearings have almost made that question irrelevant, because we now how hard he worked to subvert the lawful transfer of power. He tried to install someone at the partment of justice who was going to tell state legislatures to not send up their slates of electors to washington. We know that he tried to influence the secretary of state in georgia to recount the votes. His own daughter described a meeting that his own daughter described as being heatid in the white house. And, you know, had the law enforcement people not been there, potentially on members of congress.

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