So many people these days are overloaded, maybe at work or personal life. So they think they don't have more energy to spend, to be creative. I would say that once you come up with some project to do on the side, that's something like we do with the podcast, then you get so much more energy. Then you may find yourself being more productive when you go to work. Having this part time or not part time, side work project that give you lots of energy can be this intermediary period of experimenting between that moment of hopelessness and the moment of hope.

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