Preventative Controls for Small Businesses

In a small company, it's a lot easier to determine whether or not somebody needs a macro because you can literally go and ask 30 people if they use macros. When you have 100,000 employees, that's not plausible. And so like right now, I think maybe within these kind of like non endpoint, non, well, non endpoint kind of attack pass, preventative controls are a really good aspect. But we're getting there, but it's one of those chicken and the egg problems of like in this goes back to the leading edge of detection capabilities.