Agnostic, I'm Just a Friend of the Atheists

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In the ancient Greek, you didn't think of metaphysics as unruled or like unruly or chaotic. In fact, it was filled with order. It wasn't like if you've met spiritual people today and they say I'm spiritual, then somehow that's like a license to just say whateveryou want to say. But there's actually there's order to your spiritual life. It should have a type of spiritual reason to it. And just because it's spiritual doesn't mean that it's that it's chaotic.

John Heers is the Co-Founder and Director of the First Things Foundation, and the host of the podcast, Why Are We Talking About Rabbits?

The First Things Foundation is a non-profit organization that takes young people from the “new world” of the West to the “old world” of developing countries where they immerse, learn the language, and connect with local entrepreneurs and helps empower them to spur organic, ground-up development in their communities. They have active projects in Guatemala, Sierra Leone, the Georgia Republic, Ethiopia, and Appalachia near and dear to me here in the Rust Belt of the United States.

John has a Master's Degree in History from Columbia University. Previous to First Things Foundation, John worked overseas serving the Peace Corps as a water resource manager in Mali, oversaw emergency relief in the Georgian Republic, and taught history for 9 years in South Bronx and Harlem in New York City and Haiti.

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