The Risk of Reification of the Monad

There is gross level reification that is me as a separate subject knowing some mental construct as an object. When you're talking about reifying the monad you'retalking about a very subtle level of reification so subtle that one wouldn't know it if they were doing it unless they questioned it. All these languages just like we were saying before about magical operations in and of themselves these are just methods which are neither good nor bad it's what you do with them and why that defines them. And then secondarily we look at the methods and learn to use them as well as we can but the methods are not the problem the view behind the methods can very often be the problem.