So I would say most courses, like, it's not really much interaction with the person who made it. And DCJ was a first course. Like, I joined when you were doing the hackathon as well. And so it was the first course I joined where, wow, there's a lot of interaction with the person who created the course. Wow, this is like, you were like a legit data mentor to like all of us in the community. You know, we're able to like ask you questions. You're providing right feedback. The projects that you had set up was really cool. The main thing was like the interaction with you and like the back and forth. That's not really, you don't really find that in most courses. It's usually, hey, here's like a five track course or a set of courses and a community. That's not really that helpful. So I would say the interaction and the real community aspect is what made the big difference.

I'm so glad to hear that, because that's one of the things I try to be like more active. Like, for instance, I just taught, I don't even know if you knew this, but I just taught at MIT. I taught data engineering for a year and a third. And no one ever gets to talk to the professors, not even me. Like the professors who teach everything with the pre-recorded videos, they're just like these make believe people basically. I mean, they're real, but like, you don't ever really get to think that they're real. And that's one thing I love about DCJ is like getting to be, getting to do the hands on stuff. But then also I think the community, and I need you to come visit, because now we have a way more kicking community than we used to have. But I love it, because it's like, you can climb a mountain by yourself, but it's like scary and dark and not as fun, or you can do with friends. And it's always better to do with friends. And that's one of the things I think you've always done really well, is you just surrounded by yourself around with people who care about you, who care about the same stuff as you, and who are on the same path as you. And I think that's one of the reasons why you're like, did I ever get discouraged? Not really. I was always doing all right. Exactly.