How Did You Get Into Programming and Astronomy?

ZA: I've been programming more or less continuously. It was sort of the mid to late 2000s that Python started to become more prominent. And so I've been combining these, these sort of programming and electronic engineering and my astronomy hobby, which has shifted now into radio instead of optical. So there are there's a lot that you can do, but there's also some interesting gotchas, which we'll talk about there.