The U.S. spends a lot of money on military bases around the world, but some countries like it because they can't afford to lose that investment in their economies. The problem with security investments is often those feedback loops get cut and so we do not have very good accountability in terms of our military investment. And this goes back to the sense of emergence also, you have emerged in many different avenues. There's so many different trajectories where you can get from here to there.

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