Cevn: It's very, very hard to realize how pervasive the sense of self is until it's somehow gone. When you're in a floe state, one of the character s is is is selflessness and when you're riding your mounting bike, or playing music,. In a way, ther just much less sense of self. But that's not the same as actually seeing through that the sense ofself has been illusory. Cevn: We we've got to do the personal healing and the interpersonal healing and develop more compassion for others.

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