i'm happy to go anywhere you want with it, but that's sort of what i've lived through and seen. My uncle's where one was big time alcoholic. He died really from serosis. And the other one lived a pretty tortured life for a long time before he died just absolutely tragically. So i am very and my earlier problem with paternalism, if i was your dad, i don't know what's right for bill or kate or lao. But i took a kind of sinker swim with my kids. I never encouraged my children to be interested in what i did, ever,. Because i got so much pressure by my uncle, who was my favorite uncle,