He must have become like us in every respect, as Hebrew says, he must have actually become our brother. But that means that there has to be something real in common between us, not just something arbitrary that we've decided to assign, because otherwise, how could he affect us? Right? How could he make us new? And this is this is this, it's very symmetrical in Paul's theology with the fall with Adam and the role he plays, because the reason the sin of a, of a, you know, the first man affects me in some way is precisely because he and I share the same nature. In fact, I got my nature from him through this, you know, common descent. And the same thing is true with with Christ through union by faith. And that's the sort of a different mechanism at work there.

Absolutely. I don't deal in the book with original sin, but you cannot, you cannot make sense of the ancestral sin and how it affects us. However, exactly understand the relationship between Adamic sin and our contemporary sinfulness. But you cannot make sense of the kind of link that somehow must be there of the original sin affecting us. You cannot make sense of that, unless there's more than as you just so, so helpfully put it, unless there is more than just an arbitrary designation of, well, Adam is a human being, I am a human being. Right. As

we, as we draw to a close here, I want to anticipate and sort of give space to an objection that I think is, is quite good and quite well meaning. So I have many friends, many relatives who might listen to a podcast like this and say, I don't need to study Plato to read the Bible. Well, I don't need to know these guys. I don't need to consult with pagan philosophers. Not that those things are, not that those guys are bad. They're just not necessary. And I know that because there's so many godly people who have very, a very simple understanding of the scriptures and are, are wonderful Christians without studying these things. Well, what would you say to them to kind of allay their fears that we're saying they need Plato to get it?

Yeah, I agree with them. They don't have to. They don't have to at all. I mean, there's not everybody has to, has to replayed. Lots of people haven't read any philosophy that you should read your scriptures. All right, every day, that's important. You don't have to replay to every day. It's not important at all. It doesn't matter. The point is not that you have to have to be a committed metaphysician and philosopher. Not everybody does philosophy, not everybody does metaphysics consciously. And we don't all have to. What I am saying, however, is a, if you do metaphysics, it has to be the right kind. And be even if you do not do metaphysics, you're reading all the scriptures is influenced by a certain metaphysic. And it's important that when you read the scriptures, that you do within a tradition that is shaped by Christian Platonism. Now, for most of the Christian tradition, most people did not read Plato. And most people were not consciously Christian Platonists, even if they were. What I'm simply saying is if you love, if you love C.S. Lewis, it probably is because, you know, even unaware, perhaps you're a Christian Platonist. So, so you don't have to read Plato. That doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. But when you read the Bible, I sure hope you read it through lenses that are either known, either consciously or unconsciously lenses that are Christian Platonist and character.