"It may take some time, or it may be hopeless. Any tips on how we can tell the difference? Sooner rather than later," says Okel. "I think i pursued it for three years, because i did see progress, and i became more and more convinced of the value of it." 'Had i not had the those relationships of trust already established, i don't think i could have converted on it,' he adds.

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