People respond with a very strong sense of presence. We're working with people who have very distressing voices. They could describe their voices, and using this voice transformation o where we could transform the voice to the sound they reported that they heard. And most people said that it was uncanny the extent to which it sounded like their voice. We added to that a face or a head. It seemed helpful to add a face, because the whole purpose of the the therapy was to create a new form of dialogue inwhich people could claim power over this dominant and blittling voice. People reported real raw emotion, a sense of presence, heart rate pounding, physiological responses, terror a and a real

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