Is There a Relationship Between HBO and the Creators?

With the demise of basically network television, there's not a lot of writers left who grew up in that business and that's where you really learn to tell an ongoing story. I think certainly for a series length, but I do think, to Chris's point, like I always find it very interesting that succession is now cleaning up at the Emmys every year as it deserves to. Last of Us probably is the best show on TV, but I also feel like when the voters look at the list of potential drama nominees, they're like, that's a show. That's still, that's my stories. Those are my people.