"It's like, just do it for its own sake. You're not keeping anything in reserve or not trying to upset this person or that person," he says. "I was reading some piece and she was just like talking about an abortion that she had." He also talks about the Kedastra's fee of success: "You think it would be freeing, but it's actually constraining"
Ryan Holiday (new book Discipline is Destiny!) returns to make it weird!
Watch the video of the podcast here!