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The Deep State Is Right About Donald Trump

Sally Kohn: It's difficult in the heat of the moment when you have this rally around Trump effect to say, actually, the deep state is right about this guy. But even we should remember Liz Cheney was not particularly critical of Donald Trump until January 6th. She says it would be smart for Ron DeSantis to do like a accidental open mic moment where he airs at some of these points. Kohn: The practical case against Donald Trump is that he's a loser. He's been a loser. Probably I'd run a lot of losing campaigns but I don't understand why deSantis doesn't do this now.

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