The Alameda strategy is that it's a pool where the more capital you put in, the more made up tokens you get out. And they also do a bunch of venture deals, which there actually is evidence of the Alameda CEO Carolyn admitting that loans were taken out to finance these venture deals. But when people came back and wanted to call these loans early, probably because they saw what happened in the market, they were unable to pay these back. So then they had to pay back the loans using FTX deposits are what Carolyn said.

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