The Marriage of John Williams and John Ireland

John Williams doesn't scrutinize his own writing in that way. He's like, he's got the advantage of looking at it from the outside. You know, there's, there's a deeper analysis. So we sort of kind of realized that we both had this kind of like a piece of the puzzle. And you got the two together and it was like, okay, well, actually, that's, that’s, that, that allows us to look at the origins"